tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post116368992723627276..comments2024-03-05T14:01:34.021+08:00Comments on Ivan About Town: Pampanga: Pio Chapel and the ethics of transferring heritage structuresIvan Henareshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08952639023631049082noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-35983542891149774792012-12-08T17:49:11.632+08:002012-12-08T17:49:11.632+08:00Hi, I'm currently doing a genealogical project...Hi, I'm currently doing a genealogical project on the Claverias of Buhi, Camarines Sur and their relatives by blood or by marriage. My research may be found at http://genealogy.karlclaveria.com <br /><br />I saw a comment from Ms. Maria Isabel Gil Dimando here almost 6 years ago, I'm hoping she reads this in the hopes of finding a lead a Dolores Gil in our database, married to Don Roberto Toledo II of Pampanga. Roberto Toledo II son of Don Roberto Toledo of Valencia, Spain.<br /><br />I maybe contacted through e-mail - karl @ karlclaveria . com<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-37692065583930848212011-10-23T13:37:15.113+08:002011-10-23T13:37:15.113+08:00Such a sad news to hear but it is happening everyw...Such a sad news to hear but it is happening everywhere. well... C'est la vie! blame the agrarian reform.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-64641248744447709112008-06-02T15:40:00.000+08:002008-06-02T15:40:00.000+08:00Kawawang Pinas. we really are and have always been...Kawawang Pinas. we really are and have always been an oppressed pipol since time immemorial. api sa mundo. api sa at ng mga dayuhan, ng mga colonizers, ng mga mayayaman at mayayabang. <BR/><BR/>weder weder lang. folly of follies, vanity of vanities. will these guys never learn? their unquenchable desire for fame, honor, prestige, acquisitions will someday wind up in the dustbin of oblivion. why cant these pipol just donate their excess wealth to some worthy causes?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-67200678636677102742008-05-05T22:16:00.000+08:002008-05-05T22:16:00.000+08:00Hi Maridol! Well, if your mother's name is Doly an...Hi Maridol! Well, if your mother's name is Doly and you're Liza's sister, I think we're cousins. My relatives stays in Pio and my family are here in manila. Please email me at reggie_tiongson@yahoo.com.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-39975896601087156572007-08-16T16:11:00.000+08:002007-08-16T16:11:00.000+08:00omg,i used to go there when i was young. i hope th...omg,i used to go there when i was young. i hope they'll preserve it!hi Reggie Rubi Tiongson. so you're a rubi from pio? am i somehow related to you? because my family is also rubi from pio.Maridolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01761842976750898329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-81262030349243835062007-01-31T20:18:00.000+08:002007-01-31T20:18:00.000+08:00Hi Ms. Maria Isabel Gil Dimando, this is Reggie Ru...Hi Ms. Maria Isabel Gil Dimando, this is Reggie Rubi Tiongson. I am the grandaughter of Federico Rubi, known to your family as Apong Dikong. Just like your family, I also have the same concern about the Pio Chapel. My family roots from this place and I think a stranger from this place cannot just relocate a structure without the consent of the people who live there. Maybe you and your family and the other wealthy family of Pio should work together to restore its beauty and preserve what was left of the chapel.reggiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03800135833904170713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-1166743767822286132006-12-22T07:29:00.000+08:002006-12-22T07:29:00.000+08:00My name is Maria Isabel Gil Dimando, daughter of D...My name is Maria Isabel Gil Dimando, daughter of Dona Dolores Gil, and sister of Rose Marie Gil. I live in San Antonio, Texas USA. We were informed of the situation concerning our family property, the Chapel in Pio, Porac Pampanga. I have read the article on you blog and I am outraged that "persons" think they have the right to claim and sell property that legally belongs to my family for many generations. I would appreciate your assistance and cooperation for you to contact me via email or telephone <->.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-1165870781384876972006-12-12T04:59:00.000+08:002006-12-12T04:59:00.000+08:00Hi Jerry! I agree with you one hundred percent!Hi Jerry! I agree with you one hundred percent!Ivan Henareshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08952639023631049082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-1165664680016186752006-12-09T19:44:00.000+08:002006-12-09T19:44:00.000+08:00Hi Ivan,I don't like the idea of a heritage struct...Hi Ivan,<BR/><BR/>I don't like the idea of a heritage structures being relocated.<BR/><BR/>There is something very '1984' about taking something that's been in a community for 50, 100 years and moving it without good cause.<BR/><BR/>Original is best when it comes to restoring a heritage structure. I think that goes double for original location unless there is an urgent reason for a move. <BR/><BR/>Heritage structures almost have a life of their own and are important anchors for community identify and pride.<BR/><BR/>Plunking heritage structures out of a community is like ripping apart the community's collective soul. It's a loss and it hurts everyone.<BR/><BR/>I hope that never happens in my hometown of Carcar, Cebu. What is Carcar without our Dispensary, Rotunda and heritage houses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-1165171116731870852006-12-04T02:38:00.000+08:002006-12-04T02:38:00.000+08:00The dome of the Sta. Cruz church as well as the ch...The dome of the Sta. Cruz church as well as the church was destroyed during the the Second World War. I believe only some part of the walls where left. The present La Loma church dome looks different from the old photos of the church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-1165171068026998152006-12-04T02:37:00.000+08:002006-12-04T02:37:00.000+08:00Looks like the dome has been preserved as it was b...Looks like the dome has been preserved as it was before. I wonder if the the domes of Santa Cruz and La Loma Chapel looked like this before the war ? The chapel still has the azulejo tiles and the tombstones. This should really be preserved at its original site.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-1163924283842086622006-11-19T16:18:00.000+08:002006-11-19T16:18:00.000+08:00You can check with the NHI. Make sure to inform th...You can check with the NHI. Make sure to inform them of the plan of DPWH I presume, since the NHI is the agency tasked to protect the declared area of Malolos.<BR/><BR/>On your part, be vigilant. The law, particularly PD 1505, is on your side.Ivan Henareshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08952639023631049082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-1163923584181727382006-11-19T16:06:00.000+08:002006-11-19T16:06:00.000+08:00Hi, Ivan. The Lino Reyes House is on F. Estrella ...Hi, Ivan. The Lino Reyes House is on F. Estrella Street, right across the side entrance of the Malolos Cathedral. I think the plan is to substantially widen F. Estrella Street. But if, as you say, Malolos has already been declared a "heritage town" and a National Historical Landmark (I didn't even know that!) so that no heritage structures can be moved, then that changes everything completely. <BR/><BR/>How do we obtain more information about this, so that we MaloleƱos may become more aware?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-1163922775856223802006-11-19T15:52:00.000+08:002006-11-19T15:52:00.000+08:00Hi Leo, where in Malolos is the house? Remember th...Hi Leo, where in Malolos is the house? Remember that the "Malolos Heritage Town" was declared a National Historical Landmark. Therefore, no street widening can cause its relocation.<BR/><BR/>In my opinion, unless something like Abu Simbel will be happening, there is no justification to relocate a heritage structure.<BR/><BR/>Hi Sidney, yes I agree. It's a crazy project that only satisfies the whims and caprices of some rich people who try to justify their moves by saying they are saving the structures!<BR/><BR/>The best way to save a structure is to educate the local community about its significance and the need to preserve it as a symbol of the community, to strengthen local identity and pride of place.Ivan Henareshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08952639023631049082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-1163918184733832432006-11-19T14:36:00.000+08:002006-11-19T14:36:00.000+08:00First time I heard about transfering a heritage st...First time I heard about transfering a heritage structure... <BR/>Quite crazy idea if you ask me. <BR/>Who wants to buy the Eiffel Tower next? ;-)Sidneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02495108366627361182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-1163904677803107872006-11-19T10:51:00.000+08:002006-11-19T10:51:00.000+08:00This is a very interesting issue -- when a heritag...This is a very interesting issue -- when a heritage structure should be transferred versus when it should be left in its original location. I have heard of that "heritage village" in Bagac, Bataan and while the idea fascinates me, it also seems a bit eerie and surreal to realize that all these heritage structures from all over the country are slowly disappearing and being scooped up for relocation there.<BR/><BR/>There is at least one grand old mansion in my hometown, Malolos, that will eventually have to be relocated because of a much-needed road-widening project. (See http://rally65.multiply.com/journal/item/10 .) I just hope that this too does not wind up in Bagac -- save some for us!<BR/><BR/>It's time we came up with guiding principles to help us navigate through unavoidable issues like this one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com