tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post2168784346096958069..comments2024-03-05T14:01:34.021+08:00Comments on Ivan About Town: The Philippine National Anthem is not a pop song!Ivan Henareshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08952639023631049082noreply@blogger.comBlogger120125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-20451599492985688752009-06-06T14:10:08.105+08:002009-06-06T14:10:08.105+08:00On the National Anthem, it is black or white!On the National Anthem, it is black or white!Ivan Henareshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08952639023631049082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-3783322644376257142009-06-06T02:58:52.523+08:002009-06-06T02:58:52.523+08:00It is outrageously funny to see so many comments o...It is outrageously funny to see so many comments on how "wrong" Martin Nievera sang the national anthem. Don't get me wrong I'm no Martin Nievera fan. He just wanted to get the Filipino crowd going! And I agree with him. I'm not in a Manny Paquiao boxing match to respect the flag and the anthem, I'm there to cheer on Manny and shout my lungs out together with other Filipinos. People are just overacting, it's not like he murdered the song, I would actually appreciate it if I was in the venue. TO ALL FILIPINOS, LETS STOP BEING OVER ACTING ALL THE TIME. Be considerate. Not everything is black and white. Haaaaay.Paolonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-21794637429584473622009-05-21T00:25:29.102+08:002009-05-21T00:25:29.102+08:00First of all, the so-called kurakot politicians ar...First of all, the so-called kurakot politicians are a non-issue. The issue is whether or not singing our national anthem should be done according to the law or according to another arrangement not sanctioned by law. For that matter, secondly, the issue of interpretation can only be an issue if vocal techniques like melisma are considered. Interpretation is subjective in that factors like emotions conveyed in the vocals is dependent on the listener. Lastly, as I have stressed in this site, if Filipinos want to change the rendition of the national anthem, then they can do so by first having the law changed...........................FPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07047589066802623538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-91909827838249561962009-05-20T15:01:11.615+08:002009-05-20T15:01:11.615+08:00yeah. he sang it with much irritating overconfiden...yeah. he sang it with much irritating overconfidence. <br /><br />the end high note was so off and was so inappropriate. <br /><br />and to put a "showbizzy" light unto it, ricky lo printed out a letter from martin. dude, do you think Filipinos are really idiots? no one is going to believe that. dinamay nya pa pamilya. and if the letter is really authentic, it goes to show that his whole family has no TASTE and has no ounce of Pinoy blood in them. <br /><br />i cringe everytime i see/hear the rendition.<br /><br />Senior Bro, I like your patriotism.<br /><br />'when i see you in the sun, I shall tell you much'Deri 2000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-85897933426104947752009-05-20T13:57:29.163+08:002009-05-20T13:57:29.163+08:00I'll repost Paul's comment which I most definitely...I'll repost Paul's comment which I most definitely agree with: "Re-interpreting the singing of the National Anthem speaks of an attitude of redefining our country according to personal preferences."<br /><br />Some people just don't get it. And calling it a monotonous ritual betrays your own disdain for our National Anthem and how it should be sung.Ivan Henareshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08952639023631049082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-15862361606284783282009-05-20T13:50:38.397+08:002009-05-20T13:50:38.397+08:00I think he sang the anthem really well. There was ...I think he sang the anthem really well. There was passion there. There was a "soul" to the anthem. There was spunk and energy to it. I think that that's how we should sing the anthem. With more energy and pride. Not based on rigid, strict, traditional rules that simply obey laws, but no pride or spirit in it. Mabuti naman yung pagkanta ng ganun kesa naman monotonous ritual lang diba? Yun ang kailangan nating mga Pilipino! Energy and Pride in our own country! Ang dapat pagbigyan ng pansin ay ang pag alis sa puwesto ng mga Kurakot na mga Public Officials na patuloy na nagpapahirap sa bayan.Lorenzohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06575400226738724180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-20841856625605626822009-05-16T11:25:00.000+08:002009-05-16T11:25:00.000+08:00Next step is OSG will file a case.Next step is OSG will file a case.Ivan Henareshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08952639023631049082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-1856752378893646562009-05-16T11:24:00.000+08:002009-05-16T11:24:00.000+08:00Hi Ivan,
It seems Martin really wants the last wo...Hi Ivan,<br /><br />It seems Martin really wants the last word on this issue. I don't think he will ever apologize. Did you read his letter to Ricky Lo? I saw it on Yahoo News. I pasted part of it below.<br /><br />“Don’t worry, Dad. I have already put in the ‘version 1 minus one’ in the sound booth. Come on Dad, this is the version you dreamed of doing and now we are finally here. I know how hard you worked on this song and you got it! I know you want to do this version and not the one we did during sound check so I purposely left that CD in the car. So you can finish what you started. Never mind what others may say, Dad. You get that all the time. Don’t compromise a goal that you yourself set. If you compromise, what will that mean for the next singer? Get up there, Dad, and do it!”<br /><br />I think Martin doesn't get the abstraction of the flag as one of our national symbols.<br /><br />It's his responsibility as a father and an adult to guide his son. Instead of using his son as an excuse he should have used it as an opportunity to stress the importance of singing the national anthem the proper way. It's not about compromising a goal that you set, because your own goals are subservient to the national interest.<br /><br />I strongly feel with or without the law that as Paul says, an affront was made. What will it mean for the next singer indeed? They will think that it's alright to do what they please for the sake of art. A child not knowing the difference is forgivable. An adult condoning that thinking and using it as a reason and excuse for his own actions is unacceptable.<br /><br />What's the next step?greg pereznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-90352167042932962612009-05-16T03:01:00.000+08:002009-05-16T03:01:00.000+08:00Bottom line, if you want to change the law regardi...Bottom line, if you want to change the law regarding singing the Philippine national anthem, then make the necessary means to do so or at least influence it. The law is not something you can't change therefore it can't be perceived as a stumbling block. As for having it as a law in the Philippines, I am not ashamed that other countries are doing their own thing about their anthems while we have our own because I am Filipino and it's my business. What they do with theirs is theirs. And I will not equate that specific law with other issues such as poverty because we don't have a single law that governs us all...........................FPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07047589066802623538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-42541843740417096712009-05-15T14:12:00.000+08:002009-05-15T14:12:00.000+08:00Noted. But the reason I chose America as a referen...Noted. But the reason I chose America as a reference was because many of those who are defending the Nievera rendition are Filipino-Americans. You'll have to realize also that Filipino diaspora to the U.S. is very evident. And it is difficult not to mention the context behind those comments.<br /><br />In fact, many Fil-Ams are more American than they are Filipino. If my reference to the U.S. offended you, my apologies. But reference to pop, R&B and other renditions of the Star Spangled Banner is important to illustrate why many Fil-Ams think that way.<br /><br />I am familiar with all those changes. I, for one, was required to memorize the original version of the anthem for my Spanish class. But it's not correct to use the previous changes to our anthem and Flag Law as an example because these were all done under the vestiges of colonial rule. The Flag Law in its current form is the first undertaken by the Philippine nation as a free country.Ivan Henareshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08952639023631049082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-28498013397788471482009-05-15T13:14:00.000+08:002009-05-15T13:14:00.000+08:00Ivan, you stated that Martin Nievera sang the anth...Ivan, you stated that Martin Nievera sang the anthem in the "American way," and when you make such generalities, you will invite criticism from Americans whether you like it or not. I pointed out that such alterations are not solely an American thing and are instead representative of a larger trend including many other industrialized nations. Of course Filipinos can and should do whatever they want with their anthem, but you are clearly concerned about using other countries as points of reference, otherwise you wouldn't have brought them up to begin with!<br /><br />The concept of a national anthem is itself a convention brought to Asia through European colonialism. Like Japan, many Asian countries adopted these patriotic songs so as not to be left out of the loop more than anything else. If the point of an anthem is to mark cultural pride and honor soldiers and draw distinction, is it really appropriate to adhere to a standard handed down through Western expansion? I say this because you seem to want to distance yourself as far as possible from "blasphemous" American and European ways.<br /><br />Ironically, if it wasn't for Americans your anthem could possibly still be in its original Spanish form, thereby highlighting the colonial origins of the tradition even more. (see below) If you truly believe this topic is none of my business, I will respect your wishes, but please do your research before making generalities about Americans in the future. Other than that, I find your blog really interesting.<br /><br />"During the 1920s, with the repeal of the Flag Law, which banned the use of all Filipino national symbols, the American colonial government decided to translate the national hymn from Spanish to English. The first translation was written around that time by Paz Marquez Benitez of the University of the Philippines, who was also a famous poet during that time. The most popular translation, called the "Philippine Hymn", was written by Senator Camilo Osías and an American, Mary A. Lane. The "Philippine Hymn" was legalized by an act of the Philippine Congress in 1938."<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippines_national_anthemAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-79241647910437482142009-05-15T09:17:00.000+08:002009-05-15T09:17:00.000+08:00We don't mind you doing whatever you want with you...We don't mind you doing whatever you want with your anthem because that is your business, not ours. That Filipinos are making an issue about how our anthem is sung is our business and not yours.Ivan Henareshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08952639023631049082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-3955498534770617242009-05-15T02:47:00.000+08:002009-05-15T02:47:00.000+08:00Some of you keep posting erroneous information whi...Some of you keep posting erroneous information which I feel compelled to correct. First, you keep singling out the USA as the only country that would allow the freedom to change and re-interpret a national anthem. This is simply not true. In fact, there was a famous Sex Pistols punk rendition of 'God Saves the Queen' in Britain that is still popular today. Most other European countries would also allow for similar expression. Although freedom of speech may be generally less powerful in several Asian countries, a few countries like Japan have MANY variations of their national anthem. Some make political statements and others are just artistic changes for variance. Even despite this, Japan ranks very high in national pride so their freedom of speech does not seem to affect their sense of unity. Here is a punk version of their anthem:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwodtldRCuQ<br /><br />As an American Pacquiao fan, I find it strange how much of an issue this is for many filipinos. You say it's a cultural thing, but almost every country is taught to respect a national anthem, including the US. It's just that here we believe that minority opinion should be protected by law. Some of you say that laws should be respected just because they are laws, but that is a cop-out. The only law you really need to follow is that of your conscience. If Americans had respected every single law, we'd still have racial segregation among several other stupid immoral laws.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-55254202974788870032009-05-14T16:25:00.000+08:002009-05-14T16:25:00.000+08:00I felt disrespected when Martin Nievera sung my co...I felt disrespected when Martin Nievera sung my country's national anthem in a very callous way. Binastos nya hindi ang Lupang Hinirang, kundi binastos nya ang pakahulugan ng kanta.<br /><br />Bruce of Iloilo, may batas tayong dapat sundin. Hindi lang yun, isa itong national symbol - hahayaan mo na lang ba na bastusin ang himig na kumakatawan sa lahi mo?<br /><br />Freedom ba sabi mo? Freedom comes with responsibility, I would like to remind you my friend. And it does not come without respect. <br /><br />Sa isang laos na kagaya ni Martin Nievera, nakakahiya ang ginawa nya. Ito ay isang malaking pambabastos at kawalang-galang sa ating bansa.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-16564017783064363152009-05-14T09:47:00.000+08:002009-05-14T09:47:00.000+08:00I certainly agree with you and Ambeth Ocampo's wel...I certainly agree with you and Ambeth Ocampo's well written response in the Inquirer. It's very very disappointing that we have some lawmakers and people in the executive department who seem to be kowtowing to Pacquiao because of his winning several boxing titles. And just because he has won several titles these people can just say "repeal"/"amend" the existing law<br /> <br />It's not any wonder that the Philippines lags behind our Asian neighbors with the quality of lawmakers, law implementors we have.<br /> <br />Verna AlihAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-82534863085467527142009-05-13T18:00:00.000+08:002009-05-13T18:00:00.000+08:00Ivan I support your stand. The National Anthem rep...Ivan I support your stand. The National Anthem represents a core identity of our people. If we take a look at the context when it was written, we get a glimpse of why it was written and delivered in the manner prescribed today. Re-interpreting the singing of the National Anthem speaks of an attitude of redefining our country according to personal preferences. It is sad that people, wanting to ride the Manny Pacquiao, band wagon, finds it convenient to forget that an affront was made.Paul Buenconsejonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-86418900242444939962009-05-13T16:50:00.000+08:002009-05-13T16:50:00.000+08:00ang problema is that, pag malalaking events, hindi...ang problema is that, pag malalaking events, hindi na sha national anthem kundi vocal solo (ika nga sa elem programs)!<br /><br />matagal na ginagawa to, and it;s high time na gawing sample si martin nievera para ipamukhang mali ung ginagawa nila.<br /><br />just because some people got away with it dati doesnt mean na tama na yung mga ginawa nila.aypinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-67343361309837164452009-05-13T12:22:00.000+08:002009-05-13T12:22:00.000+08:00The fact that someone can go to jail for one year ...The fact that someone can go to jail for one year for interpreting a song should offend all those who believe in freedom and patriotism.<br /><br />Patriotism thrives when people are allowed to express their patriotism in their own way. The singing of the National Anthem should always be emotional and heart-felt, never stale. Forcing people, under the threat of law, to sing it the same way over and over and over again makes it stale. The Anthem should never be stale. It should resonate. Singers should be allowed to sing it the way they feel it, whether such renditions are good or bad, appropriate or inappropriate. That is called freedom.Bruce in Iloilonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-86285830765193371742009-05-13T12:19:00.000+08:002009-05-13T12:19:00.000+08:00Songs are always sung in context and must be judge...Songs are always sung in context and must be judged in context. Given that, Martin Nievera's rendition was a poor choice. I liked his version, but at this occasion it was inappropriate, self-indulgent and arrogant. He made the singing of the Anthem about him and his interpretation. He was a show off.Bruce in Iloilonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-19569345498100820202009-05-11T09:21:00.000+08:002009-05-11T09:21:00.000+08:00Let's not confuse aesthetics (although, personally...Let's not confuse aesthetics (although, personally, his rendition was terrible -- I still cringe in remembrance) and the breaking of the law. It's not even so much a culture thing (although enough can be said about how we SHOULDN'T keep emulating the Americans, lalo na since culturally, they're so inferior to, well, ALL other cultures countries -- *personal bias alert!*) as much as it is that he broke the law, plainly and simply. And a plain and simple apology would have sufficed, at the very least.katinkateenyhttp://katinkateeny.multiply.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-6004818114791639832009-05-11T06:55:00.000+08:002009-05-11T06:55:00.000+08:00Waaah! Finally naa najud nakabadlong aning atong s...Waaah! Finally naa najud nakabadlong aning atong singers nag himo=on og birit fest ang "National Anthem" or "Nasudnong Awit" in Bisaya! They call themselves as artists, musicians, and yet they can't read that this song's measurement! It's a marching song for Pete's sake! That marching tune is enough to pound the heart of a Filipino patriot! Finally the whistle has been blown! Yiheee!Linghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15768264404978071058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-65568983115964985442009-05-11T01:28:00.000+08:002009-05-11T01:28:00.000+08:00Yan na nga ba sinasabi ko...I dunno why the nation...Yan na nga ba sinasabi ko...I dunno why the national government is so numb regarding the "artist's rendition" of our national anthem as if its "Hit Me Baby One More Time" or "Umbrella" versions?!<br /><br />First, the Independence Day celebrations not honored during its day.<br /><br />Second, the national anthem treated like some pop song.... Read More<br /><br />What's next?Berniemack Arellano IIInoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-63747986703101572352009-05-11T00:24:00.001+08:002009-05-11T00:24:00.001+08:00"Yun rin minsan ang mahirap sa pinoy pag naiinjeka...<I>"Yun rin minsan ang mahirap sa pinoy pag naiinjekan ng ibang idea masyadong defensive feeling nila hindi dapat baluktutin ang paniniwala nila kahit alam nila na may mali na dito kasi nga tradition daw. Eh pano magiimprove ang pilipinas nyan kung puro sarado ang utak natin."</I><BR><BR>The National Anthem is one of those things you do not change. It is a legacy from our founding fathers which we all must respect and cherish. Don't use the argument that change equals progress here.Ivan Henareshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08952639023631049082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-58526898636782215922009-05-11T00:24:00.000+08:002009-05-11T00:24:00.000+08:00The others apologized after the NHI reprimands. Ma...The others apologized after the NHI reprimands. Martin did not. And you can see his reaction to it above. So the <I>birit</I> plus his arrogant response added fuel to the fire.Ivan Henareshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08952639023631049082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-61405731081956866862009-05-11T00:23:00.000+08:002009-05-11T00:23:00.000+08:00or the reason why people are pissed is because it'...or the reason why people are pissed is because it's Martin who sang it. past singers have sung the anthem without following what the law prescribes but they didn't get a lot of flak for their singing. Martin's version just sucked. the last part was very off. plus, his over acting performance is irritating.bertshttp://berts.multiply.com/noreply@blogger.com