tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post5409235132531428522..comments2024-03-05T14:01:34.021+08:00Comments on Ivan About Town: Ilocos Norte: Save the Laoag Central Elementary School!Ivan Henareshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08952639023631049082noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-77371848577646660672011-09-30T20:16:03.574+08:002011-09-30T20:16:03.574+08:00Hates how the mayor always sees efforts to save LC...Hates how the mayor always sees efforts to save LCES as political. Come on, people. This is, Gabaldon or not (and I definitely think it is), part of out country's heritage! This building is from 1929, even older than the iconic Manila City Hall and perhaps, even the National Museum building!<br /><br />And if they really reaaaaally want a mall, do a MOA in Laoag. Mall of Asia wasn't built in the middle of the city; it was to grow in a sprawling site. Or, do a Tutuban Mall.<br /><br />JUST DON'T DEMOLISH THIS BUILDING!<br /><br />[and, by virtue of being older than 50 years old, they are now protected by the National Heritage Act of 2009] :DEufemiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03006498330044071528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-86973050123589936262010-05-24T15:53:32.810+08:002010-05-24T15:53:32.810+08:00No Gabaldon school building is too small or insign...No Gabaldon school building is too small or insignificant for protection. Those in Laoag who want to exchange their two-floor Gabaldon building for money should read this article on the Gabaldons in Camiguin province: <a href="http://lifestyle.inquirer.net/artsandbooks/artsandbooks/view/20100524-271665/Philippine-Australian-cooperation-restores--Gabaldon-type-school-in-Camiguin" rel="nofollow">Philippine-Australian cooperation restores Gabaldon-type school in Camiguin</a>Ivan Henareshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08952639023631049082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-63206841509271715402010-05-24T01:14:53.812+08:002010-05-24T01:14:53.812+08:00Thank you very much Zeldrich. I appreciate you sig...Thank you very much Zeldrich. I appreciate you signing your name. Sometimes I get some planted comments which is why I prefer to reply to people who don't hide behind anonymous.<br /><br />The alternative is always developing another area of Laoag so that progress is spread out. Why congest further an already crowded area?<br /><br />When SM & Robinsons built malls in San Fernando, Pampanga, they were constructed in empty fields. Now the area is booming. And what was previously idle land is now congested with traffic.<br /><br />So imagine what a mall will do to an already busy part of Laoag. If the mayor is after the development of his city, he should find other areas which could be developed so that other areas of Laoag benefit as well.Ivan Henareshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08952639023631049082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-39988992923294718352010-05-23T23:11:33.475+08:002010-05-23T23:11:33.475+08:00my name is
zeldrich c. antonio, father of two. my...my name is<br /><br />zeldrich c. antonio, father of two. my eldest almost went to central but she got accepted to a better school. i own a small business near the area and no, i'm not a member of the mayor's staff. i don't like government jobs, they put your morals to the test. i only got to shake his hand at a friend's function, once.<br /><br />preserving heritage, i totally agree with you there but laoag's not there yet and maybe this (the central school) could be one thing that needs to be done to be, like you said, progressive. for the common good, i'd prefer to call it. <br /><br />lastly, i'd like to urge those who are against a business estab being put up there to please suggest an alternative that would have the same benefit as what is being disputed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-20974006274079347922010-05-22T06:59:40.611+08:002010-05-22T06:59:40.611+08:00Another anonymous comment. Sign your name please. ...Another anonymous comment. Sign your name please. I don't like replying to anonymous comments on issues like this because it gives me the impression that you're just a staff of the mayor.<br /><br />Progressive towns and cities know the importance of preserving heritage. Those who say that heritage has to be sacrificed in the name of progress are the ones who think backward.Ivan Henareshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08952639023631049082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-171490267726133492010-05-21T15:37:31.855+08:002010-05-21T15:37:31.855+08:00it's really amusing to read the reactions to t...it's really amusing to read the reactions to this article. most of them, han pay taga-laoag. needless to say, pati po si ginoong henares. well, probably po (sir ivan) you have visited laoag lots of times but you don't live here like i do. but of course, i do realize that that doesn't prevent you from letting your opinion known. <br />at first, i was skeptical towards the idea of putting up a mall where an existing elementary school is.(FYI: i live near the area, just a stone's throw away.) but having realized several factors, i find that there's nothing wrong with it. if you could only see how dangerous it is for kids to be crossing a very busy street. of course, i can't convince you with that point but then again that is not the only good point. matter of fact, i don't think any of those who commented negatively towards this project even bothered to find out what the good points are. <br />i'm particularly struck by your sentence, "And so is the mayor for reasons only he knows."<br />then why not, sir try to talk to him. he's a likable guy, i'm sure he'll be more than willing to talk to you.<br />nga lang rin po, i wish to be convinced to your side as i am a visual artist myself. but having lived through a difficult life as an artist, i have learned that aesthetics can't be everything and living in the past won't get you forward much.<br />laoag is headed for modernization, that's a fact and not many cities in the north have achieved what it has achieved, another fact. a lot of that due to innovative and proactive minds. and as a laoagueno i am very proud of that. minsan man lang, there are people who REALLY care about the place they lead. which i believe is quite rare in my lifetime.<br /><br />according to me, central school is a good school, but it can be a better school with better facilities. the school will not be faced out. they will only be relocated to a place where it's safer and more conducive to learning. still within laoag. true, that school was built during the american period but it was when that area was not yet too commercialized. parang ngayon nga, sha na yung out-of-place. if they will be relocated, they will have newer facilities. hindi ung nababasa ung classroom pag tag-ulan. and i was quite assured that the concerns of central will be addressed readily by those concerned.<br />as for the comments about the diocese, again, find out their side. ung totoong side, and yes, the bishop may not be as approachable as the mayor of the city pero sa umpisa lang. he's a man of the cloth, don't get scared, talk to him. <br />lastly, for the parents and teachers' manifesto saying that "education should never be sacrificed for commercialization," i strongly agree, but i don't think that the education of the ilocano youth will be sacrificed because the school will only be relocated.<br /><br />don't get me wrong, i am an objective person and i always try to be but these are my thoughts on this issue because i know more facts than most of you who have commented here and i just wanted to let you know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-772859704776259422009-05-18T15:31:00.000+08:002009-05-18T15:31:00.000+08:00Ivan you posted this as a reply to a comment: "The...Ivan you posted this as a reply to a comment: "The Laoag Central Elementary School is one of less than 20 two-floor Gabaldons left in the entire country today."<br />May I know if the Solsona Elementary School Gabaldon type building was included in that list? Correct me if I'm wrong - when the building I mentioned was still for renovation a calendar/poster(?)on Gabaldon type buildings was published (I think Gemma Cruz-Araneta was also associated with that project). Was that Gabaldon type building included in the research for that project?<br />I finished gradeschool in the town's bigger public elem. campus but that building is a part of my childhood memories because we always pass by it on our way to the plaza.cecilethinkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11068944660096960890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-64365362885327765362009-05-09T11:45:00.000+08:002009-05-09T11:45:00.000+08:00apo di lang mabalin nga ag-ilokano tayo katno agki...apo di lang mabalin nga ag-ilokano tayo katno agkikinna awatan tayo.....dimi ngamin maawatan ti sawsaeng yon...laoag kunayo ti pakasamakan na ket apay di tayo usaren ti ilokano nga lenguwahe tayo katno agtitinuos tayu amin....agsursuro kayo ngamin nga ag ilokano katno nasaysayaat met lang...dios ti agnina...dios ti kumuyogAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-92067135624483432232009-04-25T22:59:00.000+08:002009-04-25T22:59:00.000+08:00No, Gabaldon did not build any of the schools whic...No, Gabaldon did not build any of the schools which are today called Gabaldon schools. He was the one who authored the law allotting public funds for the construction of the said school buildings.Ivan Henareshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08952639023631049082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-24842201394140002252009-04-25T22:48:00.000+08:002009-04-25T22:48:00.000+08:00what? that school? i'm from the clan of gabaldon. ...what? that school? i'm from the clan of gabaldon. Is that what Isauro Gabaldon built?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-78143885026763202582009-03-15T14:58:00.000+08:002009-03-15T14:58:00.000+08:00G. Henaresnagpadala po ako ng email sa inyo sa inf...G. Henares<BR/><BR/>nagpadala po ako ng email sa inyo sa info@ivanhenares.com ukol sa inyong artikulong ito. Nawa'y mabasa ninyo sa lalong madaling panahon.<BR/><BR/>Salamat at isang mapagpalayang araw!<BR/><BR/>Gerald PascuaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-54177446955758139602009-02-23T15:10:00.000+08:002009-02-23T15:10:00.000+08:00The Heritage Conservation Society has a long recor...The Heritage Conservation Society has a long record of unwavering advocacy. Shame to those who are spreading rumors that we're doing this for politics! When we find out a heritage structure is in danger, and something can be done about it, expect us to fight for its preservation.<BR/><BR/>We're not stopping because we love our country and will protect the built heritage that are symbols of our nation!Ivan Henareshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08952639023631049082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-56633595921995034672009-02-23T14:50:00.000+08:002009-02-23T14:50:00.000+08:00Pwede naman itayo ang mall sa ibang lugar sa Laoag...Pwede naman itayo ang mall sa ibang lugar sa Laoag diba? Pero iba talaga dahil may kumita na, hindi ba? Wag na tayo magbolahan, yung iba diyan, sariling bulsa ang iniisip. Bato bato sa langit, ang tamaan, wag magagalit.Ivan Henareshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08952639023631049082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-83438675417030931212009-02-23T14:46:00.000+08:002009-02-23T14:46:00.000+08:00Once again sir Ivan...Isn't it madami nang nadada...Once again sir Ivan...Isn't it madami nang nadadamay sa isyung ito? If you noticed, nagkaroon na ng GAP ang Province at City. <BR/><BR/>Why don't the stop this nalang. The important is ang pagtaas ng Laoag City. At ang pagsagot sa mga hinaing ng bayan na pagbibigay ng job. <BR/><BR/>OO like what I said marami ng nawala bakit nila hinayaan? Bakit ang LCES lang ang hinaharangan? Isn't it WE ARE A KEEN OBSERVER? meron nga diyan on going ang pagdedemolish e. BAkit pinayagan yon? HMMMM di kaya may mali? Nagtatanung lang po. Bato bato sa langit ang tamaan huwag magagalot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-41656299092258998972009-02-23T14:40:00.000+08:002009-02-23T14:40:00.000+08:00Wow! Sunod-sunod ang mga post! Obviously from one ...Wow! Sunod-sunod ang mga post! Obviously from one person :DIvan Henareshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08952639023631049082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-38076176158700538302009-02-23T14:38:00.000+08:002009-02-23T14:38:00.000+08:00Kailan kaya mahihinto ang isyung ito. nakakahiya n...Kailan kaya mahihinto ang isyung ito. nakakahiya na sa karatig bayan. I am in favor of the demolition of the LCES. <BR/><BR/>Heritage po ba? Isn't it there are some sites ng napalitan? There is also a Municipality na pinagalaw ung Munisipyo nila e kasama po yun sa listahan na nasa moratorium if di ako nagkakamalo h. <BR/><BR/>I am not againts the Provincial Government nor a pro City Government. I am a Laoagueño who wants progress in our City and mahirap po maghanap ng trabaho. Ang dami namin na Alumni ng nasabing eskuwelahan but hey graduate na kami ng College marami pang walang trabaho. Isa pa tignan po natin kong safe parin po ba ang mga gusali ng LCES. Hindi po mawawala ang LCES puwede naman natin na i-request through our Mayor sa Investor na i-preserved ang hitsura ng school ngayun. Maingay narin po ang paligid ng school and tignan po natin ha isa po ako sa mga nasagasahan nung grade 3 palang po ako sa Central School. Hindi ba kayo nababahala dun?<BR/><BR/>This is only my opinion. Putting up a Mall can solve the unemployment issue sa City natin.<BR/><BR/>Pero ipasa batas nalang natin ang lahat. di po ba? Mas mabuti po iyon dahil malakina ang epekto nito sa mga tao. Sa radio nga may isyu na ng personalan. Masyado ng magulo kaya tignan nalang po natin NO ANIA TI PAGSAYAATAN TI KAADUAN.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-47935109924515462652009-02-23T14:31:00.000+08:002009-02-23T14:31:00.000+08:00We are keen observers. And yes you are right, so m...We are keen observers. And yes you are right, so many has already been demolished. That's why what is left should be preserved, LCES included. <BR/><BR/>Thank you for pointing out that so much has been lost. That is the very reason we should stop demolishing what is left.Ivan Henareshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08952639023631049082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-32052727829746284312009-02-23T13:48:00.000+08:002009-02-23T13:48:00.000+08:00If you are a keen observer, you will notice that t...If you are a keen observer, you will notice that there are so many historical and heritage sites that were already demolished. I am a LCES Alumni but I agree to the demolition of LCES. They will only transfer the said school and changed it to better one. This is for the development of the City and so with the Province. This will also help the problem about the unemployment. We have so many unemployed kababayans out there. I believe that the City Government want only the City to be one of the Cities who are in the top list and they want to solve the unemployment issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-79538630485820112642009-02-11T20:22:00.000+08:002009-02-11T20:22:00.000+08:00You got something from the deal too? The Laoag Cen...You got something from the deal too? The Laoag Central Elementary School is one of less than 20 two-floor Gabaldons left in the entire country today. When you try to be sarcastic, make sure you know your facts first.Ivan Henareshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08952639023631049082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-92158378661221712682009-02-11T18:39:00.000+08:002009-02-11T18:39:00.000+08:00i think laoag city is left behind compared to othe...i think laoag city is left behind compared to other cities in the philippines when it comes to its business infrastructures. if this school is the reason why laoag city cannot move on, i think we better relocate it for some reasons; a. the school is not convenient and safe for children crossing the streets. b. the legal owner (catholic church) of the building agreed upon the conversion of the school. c. we don't sacrifice the school, it will be relocated to a safer place. d. the structure doesn't mark on the philippine history, it is only one of the million gabaldon structures. e. the school doesn't own the land, it is private. f. so many to mention. look at the brighter side laoaguenos! we need to move forward!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-50870212039020818482009-02-06T10:21:00.000+08:002009-02-06T10:21:00.000+08:00I love to see a new mall in Laoag City!!!But this ...I love to see a new mall in Laoag City!!!<BR/><BR/>But this demolition of a historic site and school is close to stupidity.<BR/><BR/>Can't they build a new mall close to the Airport? And away from a very congested city? People up there, think more than twice...and I should say, WAKE UP!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-70175923392579010732009-01-27T21:27:00.000+08:002009-01-27T21:27:00.000+08:00hi. im from zamboanga city.. n ive bin to that pla...hi. im from zamboanga city.. n ive bin to that place, that part of Laoag. and i'm at awe on how beautiful the place is... <BR/><BR/>with the proposed plan to demolish the present Gabaldon school into a mall, masisira ang kagandahan ng lugar. promise! <BR/><BR/>sana mamulat ang local government... e di ba Education ang kelangan kung bkit naghihirap ang Pinas? magisip-isip rin.. tsktsk<BR/><BR/>tska sa mga pari, mahiya naman... kawawa ang mga bata.. pera lng pala habol niyo... magisip rin? is that what u practice on what u preach?! tsk..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-9020931701319528702009-01-27T08:58:00.000+08:002009-01-27T08:58:00.000+08:00First and foremost, this campaign to save the Laoa...First and foremost, this campaign to save the Laoag Central Elementary School is a result of public clamor in Laoag which the City Government has systematically silenced. Several local groups had already expressed their strong opposition to the transfer. For you to say that we did not talk with them is an assumption without basis. As we speak, the local community there is moving. In fact, they shared with us the off-the-record the reasons why the proponents are very eager to push for the project.<BR/><BR/>Second, Ms. Bea Zobel is not a member of the Heritage Conservation Society. Not all heritage advocates are members of the HCS. So one cannot generalize the actions of one advocate as the methodology of the HCS. But we do hope everyone joins the organization to strengthen the network of cultural workers.<BR/><BR/>And I agree with you that no matter how good your intentions, you don't bring outsiders into the picture unless they've been invited. I should know coming from Pampanga where people are very parochial. My experience in the local government of San Fernando has taught me a lot about getting the local community on the side of heritage.<BR/><BR/>So please don't lecture us about not being immersed without first finding out if indeed we have not spoken to the local community. Mind you, before I posted this, I personally went to Laoag, inspected the site, spoke with local leaders and concerned civil servants, the school administration, members of the local media (who gave us copies of the statements opposing the transfer) and residents of the city.Ivan Henareshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08952639023631049082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-55369931740527245372009-01-27T05:20:00.000+08:002009-01-27T05:20:00.000+08:00I 100% agree that the LCES should be saved.I 100% ...I 100% agree that the LCES should be saved.<BR/><BR/>I 100% agree in HCS' goal to save heritage structures. You have done a lot of amazing work!<BR/><BR/>But I sometimes don't agree with the way heritage advocates go about in saving these structures.<BR/><BR/>You just don't go to a town or province and impose on people how to save these structures. That is what I think should be well understood by the people at HCS. <BR/><BR/>For a person to be successful in his goal for a community, you should understand first the mindset of a community, not impose your views outright.<BR/><BR/>In this case, you FIRST talk with them and understand the reasons why they are going to do something on a structure and see it the way they see it. <BR/><BR/>Why?<BR/><BR/>Because these people are the people who live there, not you. They know their problems well. They may be misguided in destroying an old school, but you just DON'T condemn them right away. You understand first why they want it demolished and then work out a solution from there.<BR/><BR/>A very simple analogy: when you see a family having a problem, do you just go to their home and tell them to fix things up? No. You go first to whoever is the head of the family and understand first the facts concerning the problem and then present your solution. <BR/><BR/>How would you feel if an outsider just came to your home and did just that?<BR/><BR/>When Bea Zobel, Jr. started redeveloping the Spanish-era Dauis church complex area in Panglao Island in Bohol, she brought in so many people from Manila to develop the area and yet did not tap or engage in deep dialogue with the local people directly instead.<BR/><BR/>It's like saying to a a confused housewife, "tomorrow, open the door because I'll bring my friends to decorate your house, you're not that good at it."<BR/><BR/>As a result, resentment among locals went high. It's now been fixed but Ms. Zobel admitted she learned her lesson in starting with the wrong footing.<BR/><BR/>As she stated in an Inquirer article last Sunday, January 25, “You don’t come in with people from Manila and take over a whole site.”<BR/><BR/>Ms. Zobel had the best intentions and I agree with her, but it was her methodology that had to be revised. <BR/><BR/>Remember the renovation of a beautiful centuries-old church somewhere in Batangas? Heritage advocates were angry that the church was being expanded by putting additional aisles outside the historical fabric. And I fully, fully agree it wasn't a good idea. <BR/><BR/>But the parish priest had (to him) a valid concern: the amount of parishioners was increasing and there had to be a way to accommodate them. Yung iba nauulanan na just to hear Mass. In other words, you have to understand where the parish priest's reasons where coming from. And you just don't say, it's culture, history, etc. You have to address other valid points, too, and then work out solutions from there.<BR/><BR/>Again, let me state it well: as an Ilocano at heart, I AM AGAINST THE DEMOLITION OF LAOAG CENTRAL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL and other heritage structures. But the way you should go about in saving it is to understand and discuss and immerse yourself in the community first to understand their viewpoint. <BR/><BR/>HCS has done a tremendous amount of laudable work. You just need to update the methodology on some causes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15647147.post-63963816616604077722009-01-23T01:36:00.000+08:002009-01-23T01:36:00.000+08:00I come from Caloocan City and I most definitely fa...I come from Caloocan City and I most definitely favor saving the LCES! <BR/><BR/>We have a similar situation right here in Caloocan City wherein the Bonifacio Monument (also known simply as the Monumento) faces serious threats from the "closing of the LRT-MRT loop" and the giant billboards which have proliferated in the area. It's true that they won't take out the Monumento. They'll do something worse. They will imprison the greatest monument to valor and to love of freedom on earth!<BR/><BR/>We've launched the Monumento World Heritage Global Campaign and set up an online petition at www.gopetition.com/online/23996. We hope you can sign in. It will be a privilege for me to help put up a similar petition for LCES.rollyocampohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01385292769082590856noreply@blogger.com